chris

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My question is this, it it a virus or something we just don't know what the hell we are dealing with?
It's what we don't understand is the problem and this thing is a flu strain nothing more and the governments decided to hype it up through the roof to see the public react but it got out of control with their scam
 

David

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It's what we don't understand is the problem and this thing is a flu strain nothing more and the governments decided to hype it up through the roof to see the public react but it got out of control with their scam
While I somewhat tend to agree that it's something that we don't quite understand completely, I also don't think it's a virus that should've shut down economies causing unrest everywhere as we have a lot of statistical data and have learned from mistakes made.

A lot of bad things are happening in the US because of idle hands. Also, a peaceful island like Okinawa even saw its first robbery/murder in a very long time because someone needed money.

I truly believe that if the stimulus was passed out differently in Okinawa, someone would still be alive today (unless, as they were a customer of the tea house/gambling parlor, they would've gambled it away and there'd be no hope anyway... but it's now hindsight).
 

island cyclist

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Corona Virus update: June 27, 2020 Saturday Tokyo time: 7 pm
I’ll start out with some international news and finish up with Japan. The news about the virus is moving very fast. I can only say, try not to travel. When out shopping, try to go when foot traffic is low. Of course we now know about the masks and its importance of wearing one.
Please keep in mind that numbers become real when you are you know someone comes down with the virus. We all understand that we all are on the frontline of this invisible contagious virus.
MONDRAGONE, Italy -- The governor of a southern Italian region insisted on Friday that residents of an apartment complex quarantine inside for 15 days, not even venturing out to buy food, after dozens of COVID-19 cases among Bulgarian seasonal farm workers and Italians who live there were confirmed.
Wearing a mask to discourage virus spread, Campania Gov. Vincenzo De Luca told reporters that the national civil protection agency should deliver groceries to the estimated 700 occupants of the apartments in Mondragone, a seaside town about 50 kilometers (32 miles) northwest of Naples.
YONGSAN GARRISON, South Korea - The U.S. military said Saturday that it will ease anti-coronavirus restrictions for troops and other personnel on this Army garrison in Seoul, but unauthorized travel to the capital from other bases remains off-limits.
The move, which begins at noon Monday, came more than a month after U.S. Forces Korea lifted restrictions for bases elsewhere in South Korea but maintained them for Yongsan because of continued cluster infections there.
The number of Defense Department-affiliated personnel diagnosed with COVID-19 this week jumped 18 percent from last week’s numbers, according to the latest data.
That came out to 2,345 new cases this week, up from 1,793 last week. Of this week’s new cases, 1,782 were among troops, a jump of 20-percent over the previous week.
The Department of Veterans Affairs this week reached a series of new, grim milestones related to the coronavirus pandemic, including topping 20,000 cases of the fast-spreading illness since the nationwide crisis began.
On Friday, department officials reported that they have recorded at least 20,509 cases of coronavirus among patients since early March, when the outbreak began to spread across the United States. The total represents about 7 percent of all individuals tested in the Veterans Health System.
The European Union moved closer to recommending that travelers from the U.S. shouldn’t be allowed to enter the bloc even after July 1, according to a draft decision being considered by governments.
THIS IS SOMETHING WE SHOULD BE AWARE OF:
An economic collapse is inevitable. The situation is unlikely to improve either until an effective vaccine appears or the virus changes its "behavior".

According to Dmitry Ovsyannikov, the head of the pediatric department at the RUDN Medical Institute, said that it goes about the coronavirus-related multisystem inflammatory syndrome that affects children. To date, 600 cases of the disease have been reported in patients in the UK, France, the USA and Italy.

The US yesterday recorded its third-day running of new cases with more than 45,000 new cases, beating the old record recorded the day before when 40,000 new cases were revealed. Total deaths in the US from the virus is at 125,000 thousand from nearly 2,467,837 cases, more than any other country. In Texas, Florida and Arizona, reopening plans have been paused due to a surge in cases. Health officials in the US estimate the true number of cases is likely to be 10 times higher than the reported figure.

Brazil's unrelenting surge continues with 47,000 new cases reported there yesterday bringing the total number of cases to 1,274,974 with 56,000 of them dying. India had its record number of cases yesterday topping almost 20,000. In Europe, France had a spike yesterday just days after an easing of lockdowns. Turkey appears to be heading for a second wave too after the virus appeared to be dwindling there in early June.

Globally, there are currently more than 140 vaccines being studied for Covid-19, of which 13 are in the clinical evaluation stage, according to the World Health Organization.
India: An inexpensive, widely used steroid dexamethasone was included in the treatment protocols for COVID-19 patients in moderate to severe stages of illness among other therapeutic measures by the Union health ministry on Saturday. The updated protocol includes the advice to use dexamethasone as an alternative choice to methylprednisolone for managing moderate to severe cases of COVID-19.
Japan's health authorities reported 57 new coronavirus cases and four deaths on Tuesday. The number of confirmed infections stands at 18,034, excluding cases from the Diamond Princess cruise ship.
Japan update :
New coronavirus
So far, a total of 89 people have been announced on the 27th, including 57 in Tokyo, 11 in Saitama, 5 in Chiba, 4 in Kanagawa and Kyoto, and 4 at airport quarantine. .. The number of people confirmed to be infected in Japan was 18,806 including quarantine at the airport, and 712 passengers and crew on cruise ships, for a total of 19,118. In addition, since one person died in Hokkaido, the total number of people who died is 972 people infected in Japan and 13 people on board a cruise ship, totaling 985 people.
According to each municipality, the total number of people confirmed to be infected in Japan
is
▽ 6054 in Tokyo
▽ 1816 in Osaka
▽ 1453 in Kanagawa ▽ 1222 in Hokkaido ▽
1098 in Saitama
▽ Chiba Is 943
▽ Fukuoka is 845
▽ Hyogo is 705
▽ Aichi is 526
▽ Kyoto is 374
▽ Ishikawa is 300
▽ Toyama is 227
▽ Ibaraki is 172
▽ Hiroshima is 168
Number of people ▽ Gifu prefecture 156 people
▽ Gunma prefecture 152 people
▽ Okinawa prefecture 142 people
▽ Fukui prefecture 122 people
▽ Shiga prefecture 101 people
▽ Nara prefecture 92 people
▽ Miyagi prefecture 92 people
▽ Niigata prefecture 83 people
▽ Fukushima Prefecture 82 people
▽ Shizuoka prefecture 82 people
▽ Ehime prefecture 82 people
▽ Nagano prefecture 77 people
▽ Kochi prefecture 74 people
▽ Yamanashi prefecture 74 people
▽ Yamagata prefecture 69 people
▽ Tochigi prefecture 66 people
▽ Wakayama prefecture 64 people
▽ Oita prefecture 60 people
▽ Kumamoto prefecture 49 people
▽ Saga prefecture 47 people
▽ Mie prefecture 46 people
▽ Yamaguchi prefecture 37 people
▽ Kagawa prefecture 28 people
▽ Aomori prefecture 27 people
▽ Okayama prefecture 26 people
▽ Shimane prefecture 24 people
▽ Nagasaki prefecture 17 people
▽ Miyazaki prefecture 17 people
▽ Akita prefecture 16 people
▽ Kagoshima prefecture 11 people
▽ Tokushima prefecture 6 people
▽ Tottori The prefecture is 3 people.

In addition, 306 people were confirmed to be infected by quarantine at the airport in Tokyo.
 
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David

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This article is pretty eye-opening for the state that Okinawa is in. However, I'd like to address parts of it:
Okinawa is facing a triple punch economically due to the global pandemic. First, the number of international tourists has declined dramatically. Second, the number of domestic travelers to Okinawa has similarly declined. Third, the contributions of U.S. military personnel and their family members within Okinawa have dropped dramatically due to their inability to frequent stores, restaurants, and other locations as in the past.
The first two are undoubtedly causing a negative impact in Okinawa. The third, I don't believe so much. This is because it reverts back to focusing on demographics while keeping business in mind. Foreigners that typically settle and create a business in Okinawa only focus on one demographic: A comfortable one, one that they came from—SOFA status personnel and family members.

These businesses were the hardest hit because they catered mainly to SOFA and not the local populous. After restrictions were eased for Japanese, noodle shops, etc., were back in business. There are some shops that relied on tourism, mainly on Kokusai Street, that may be shuttered and forever devastated because of the multi-thousand dollar rent they incurred each month along with other business expenses such as staffing unless they can work out some form of repayment or forgiveness.
No lockdown or period of mourning coming from III MEF had as close of an impact on the economy as the COVID-19 panic is right now. There are some exceptions, though. Those might apply to businesses that solely relied on SOFA customers who had to close early or not open on certain days because their chosen demographic were Americans, primarily being SOFA. However, these were generally bars and clubs.
The businesses now that are SOFA-centric are hurting because they must comply with policies set forth for social distancing, by moving tables and whatnot. Had they not done this, they could potentially have 0 SOFA customers, but, it's cutting into their bottom line. On the flip side, if they reopened and focused on all potential demographics, they could've been filled to occupancy. I feel a lot of businesses who weren't aligned with where the real money comes from are going to suffer and potentially permanently close unless they can find a way to prop themselves up by serving locals as much as they do SOFA.
One of the key groups making up the domestic tourist customer base historically has been student groups — elementary school, middle school, high school and university students ... While they were not necessarily big-spenders themselves, they were a generally consistent market for the tourist industry
Again, while they were not big spenders, they filled airlines, ferries, and tourist buses, which you could almost spot on the roadways year-round, but not any longer.

Covering all from the main article, I just wanted to leave with this quote. I believe that history, wherever it is, should be preserved. Without history, we have the same future, as we all learn from our mistakes of the past.
Relaxation of travel within Japan will make it easier. However, due to the significant drop in revenue from visits (and sales of books, DVDs, T-shirts, and other items from the gift shop), the museum is in serious financial trouble. In order to support it, the Asahi Shimbun’s A-Port crowd-funding site has just launched a Keep Fukutsukan page, with a goal of raising ¥5 million by the early fall.
Oirignal source: Study of Okinawan history falls casualty to COVID-19 | The Japan Times
 

island cyclist

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A real economy is built on:
1. fishing industry
2. agricultural
3. manufacturing
4. housing/construction
5. yep! you guessed it.... we just don't really know with all this uncertainty going on around the world

tourism business is like the gambling business, when your hot , you are hot, but for how long?
 

David

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A real economy is built on:
1. fishing industry
2. agricultural
3. manufacturing
4. housing/construction
5. yep! you guessed it.... we just don't really know with all this uncertainty going on around the world

tourism business is like the gambling business, when your hot , you are hot, but for how long?
Okinawa is great for fishing, but it has to be fresh. The ride and time to distribute in Mainland may take away from that when they have their coastal waters to do the same for a 100x larger population.

If you learn Japanese history on Okinawa and agriculture, it would be a rude awakening on how Okinawa, to this day, couldn't come back.

Housing and construction has slowed because of the virus and I believe the majority to bring money here is done in the name of tourism.

All some places have to offer the world is a unique experience. As such, we'll take a blow, but will certainly rebound when people feel safe to travel again.
 

chris

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This article is pretty eye-opening for the state that Okinawa is in. However, I'd like to address parts of it:The first two are undoubtedly causing a negative impact in Okinawa. The third, I don't believe so much. This is because it reverts back to focusing on demographics while keeping business in mind. Foreigners that typically settle and create a business in Okinawa only focus on one demographic: A comfortable one, one that they came from—SOFA status personnel and family members.

These businesses were the hardest hit because they catered mainly to SOFA and not the local populous. After restrictions were eased for Japanese, noodle shops, etc., were back in business. There are some shops that relied on tourism, mainly on Kokusai Street, that may be shuttered and forever devastated because of the multi-thousand dollar rent they incurred each month along with other business expenses such as staffing unless they can work out some form of repayment or forgiveness.
The businesses now that are SOFA-centric are hurting because they must comply with policies set forth for social distancing, by moving tables and whatnot. Had they not done this, they could potentially have 0 SOFA customers, but, it's cutting into their bottom line. On the flip side, if they reopened and focused on all potential demographics, they could've been filled to occupancy. I feel a lot of businesses who weren't aligned with where the real money comes from are going to suffer and potentially permanently close unless they can find a way to prop themselves up by serving locals as much as they do SOFA.
Again, while they were not big spenders, they filled airlines, ferries, and tourist buses, which you could almost spot on the roadways year-round, but not any longer.

Covering all from the main article, I just wanted to leave with this quote. I believe that history, wherever it is, should be preserved. Without history, we have the same future, as we all learn from our mistakes of the past.Oirignal source: Study of Okinawan history falls casualty to COVID-19 | The Japan Times
WHAT? I don't agree with any of this at all, none of it. Who gave permission to a 3rd grader to write that article? Complete nonsense and here's why and the main key is you cannot and i will repeat the word cannot blame Covid for anything except a person getting sick just like if you get the flu. Covid did not destroy economies, social life, businesses, farms, or even the decline of tourism and military tourism or frequently using or spending money in clubs, bars, and restaurants etc. All this was not the blame of Corona and if economist believe that then they need their heads examined.
All the countries and their leaders took upon themselves to follow each others moves during this fake pandemic and close down businesses, schools, and impose stay at home orders with non essential people getting shafted into forced stay at home while the essential workers stayed working which in turn essential workers could not handle the loads of work and businesses started a downhill spiral but world leaders decided to keep people home and when those business couldn't afford to bring back non essential workers it started the chain reaction to unemployment and loss of jobs. It was not and I REPEAT NOT DUE TO CORONA! and you cannot use covid as your scapegoat to explain the mistakes governments made. Back in April World leaders had been told that the virus was an elderly high factor but low aged healthy people would be ok and in April the tune to covid turned to 99% of all cases would be mild and recoverable, but no, leaders had to keep playing god and scaring the citizens into mortal fear that they still are doing as the economy tanks. It's totally amazing watching and listening to our leaders looking like braindead zombies when it comes to the economy that they made and can't fix it.
Covid is not a scapegoat and covid did not destroy tourism jobs money whatever our politically correct leaders and presidents screwed up and want the people to pay for their mistake as they play god with corona.
 

chris

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July 2, 2020 @ 1153 -- MCB Butler has confirmed the first individual to test positive for COVID-19 on July 1, 2020. The infected and their family are now isolated on a restriction of movement status.

OK now 2 different newspapers and 2 different stories to this whole thing which sounds to me this person is indeed no threat and has a mild case but which one do you believe see again conflicting reports with no proof now
【速報】沖縄の米海兵隊員の家族1人が新型コロナ感染 米国旅行から戻った後に 基地外との接触なし | 沖縄タイムス+プラス ニュース | 沖縄タイムス+プラス

Okinawa Times + Plus Okinawa Times + Plus News Society/Living [Breaking News] A family of Okinawan US Marines is infected with the new corona After returning from a trip to the United States, there is no contact with outside bases


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[Breaking News] A family of Okinawan US Marines is infected with the new corona. No contact with off-base after returning from a trip to the United States.
July 2, 2020 12:14
The US Marine Corps in Okinawa announced on the 2nd that one of the Marines' families stationed at Camp Mactrias in Uruma , Okinawa Prefecture was infected with the new coronavirus. On-site inspection confirmed positive on the 1st. It will be the first infection among Marines in Okinawa.
Electron micrograph of new coronavirus (provided by National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases)
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Electron micrograph of new coronavirus (provided by National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases)

The infected person returned to Okinawa after a family trip to the United States on June 19 and restricted their activities. Currently in quarantine, he says he has no contact with anyone outside the base, except for contact with limited US military personnel in Japan.
It is believed to have been infected in the United States, and US Marine Corps Pacific bases and the US Navy's health agency are investigating infection routes and contacts.
No new infected people have been confirmed in the prefecture since April 30th, and it has been zero for 63 consecutive days by the first day.
In the US military, three soldiers and family members at the Air Force Kadena Air Base have been confirmed.
*In the 0:14 pm bulletin on the 2nd, the person infected with the new coronavirus was a Marine, but the US Marine Corps was over 1:00 pm, and in a supplementary release, the infected was one of the Marines' families. I received the contents that said. The article was modified at 1:20 pm.
 

David

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No contact with off-base after returning from a trip to the United States.
This is the only thing fishy to me, reported on both sides. There's no way that they had no contact with anyone off-base if they flew here on a commercial flight. Anyone who believes that story is a fool.

The only way this could've happened is if they flew in directly to Kadena on Space A or in a jump seat and then the pilots immediately flew out without having contact with ground crew or anyone else that could spread it to anyone off-base, as they did admit that they had contact with USFJ personnel. Now it's off to contact tracing on where the other USFJ personnel went after having contact with them. CoCo's Curry? Who knows.

That was one thing I kept pressing Kadena into answering in the beginning of the pandemic. I kept asking about pilots, and crew, flying in and out when we were just getting our first taste of COVID-19 exposure: Whether they had contact with ground crew, stayed in transient lodging or hotels on or off base, or flew directly out without having contact with anyone.
 

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Honestly, even if they had infected more US military personnel. They won't officially release that information unless they know they can't hide it, as well they are mandating 2 weeks ROM for anyone with Covid like symptoms. We are only able to digest what the military puts on the table.
 

chris

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The only way this could've happened is if they flew in directly to Kadena on Space A or in a jump seat and then the pilots immediately flew out without having contact with ground crew or anyone else that could spread it to anyone off-base, as they did admit that they had contact with USFJ personnel. Now it's off to contact tracing on where the other USFJ personnel went after having contact with them. CoCo's Curry? Who knows.
Dave i totally agree with you as this story is in my book now fake news because of the conflicting story lines and you added that the infected person had contact with USFJ and the other story says he has no contact with anyone outside the base, except for contact with limited US military personnel in Japan. Not one mentioning of USFJ contact and the Navy and Marin Corps health officials are looking into routes and infections when the other story says Japan is looking into the case not the US military and as it stands for me this story is dead news not credible at all and very very sorry to Okinawa.org.staff i didn't mean to debunk your news
 

chris

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Honestly, even if they had infected more US military personnel. They won't officially release that information unless they know they can't hide it, as well they are mandating 2 weeks ROM for anyone with Covid like symptoms. We are only able to digest what the military puts on the table.
exactly and thats why i don't believe the numbers for cases in this pandemic with Corona. I just about sick and tired on how its only the citizens getting infected but you never here of any government or health experts, or law enforcement and military getting tested and cases are positive. Its always the citizens numbers and the cases they put on the boards or dashboards and never tell you where these people are and there conditions and what work sector are they in. Well said Redstar thanks for that info
 
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exactly and thats why i don't believe the numbers for cases in this pandemic with Corona. I just about sick and tired on how its only the citizens getting infected but you never here of any government or health experts, or law enforcement and military getting tested and cases are positive. Its always the citizens numbers and the cases they put on the boards or dashboards and never tell you where these people are and there conditions and what work sector are they in. Well said Redstar thanks for that info
That puzzles me too. The politicians are out and about, yet none that I know of have caught the virus.
 
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very very sorry to Okinawa.org.staff i didn't mean to debunk your news
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Okinawa.Org merely presents news as it's provided, whether it be aggregated or curated, or from our own reporting, no bias is added. We feel that it's important to stay neutral in everything. Furthermore, Okinawa.Org strives to give everyone a platform to express themselves as you have, so there is no need to apologize.
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from FB,
"Several SOFA status personnel aboard MCAS Futenma have tested positive for COVID-19 today, July 7, 2020.
The individuals that have tested positive and their close contacts have been moved into isolation. At this time, the source of exposure is unknown. Military leadership and health professionals have employed a contact tracing team to determine any additional potential exposures.
III MEF and MCIPAC’s priority is to protect our Marines, Sailors, families, and keep our local communities safe. We are taking all prudent measures to prevent the further spread of COVID-19 and will continue to communicate with our forces, our families, and our local Okinawan communities openly".

 
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